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re-posting a photo from my other thread

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本帖最後由 vincecharus 於 2014-2-14 18:24 編輯

I find 28/2A to be an "odd man out" from the current Leica M lineup because the kind of techniques required to take successful pictures with it is probably very different from the kind of techniques required by the rest of the lineup.  I only started to become interested in it very recently when I decided to "expand" from my previous (rather limited) style of composition.

Having said that, it is widely recognized as one of the "immortals" in the current lineup including also 35 FLE, 50A (and maybe also 50 Cron v5), and 90AA.
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睇完各位 comments, 我諗尼支可能糸唯一一支asph能夠被眾c hings 接受.
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相對11663又如何?都幾多人接受的asph鏡
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grandetech 發表於 2014-2-14 21:16
相對11663又如何?都幾多人接受的asph鏡

Rendition of the two lenses are quite different. 11663 can seperate planes of focus very clearly at f1.4 to 2.8, but the tansition is a bit abrupt compare to 28/2 which is more smooth, could be due to more deepth of field. The change between sharp and blur for 11663 is such a different that it gives a special "punch" to the eyes. But the smooth contrast and extreme detail of 28/2 is candy to the eyes.
Technically, one can easily find the MTF charts of both lenses and compare them, which tells part of the story too. 28/2 performs better on the MTF charts.
Google and more can be found.
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本帖最後由 vincecharus 於 2014-2-14 23:19 編輯
M3fans 發表於 2014-2-14 21:59
Rendition of the two lenses are quite different. 11663 can seperate planes of focus very clearly a ...

35mm, 28mm, 21mm are very different tools for very different jobs.

Just my 2 cents, c-hings!
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vincecharus 發表於 2014-2-14 22:45
35mm and 28mm are very different tools for very different jobs.

Just my 2 cents, c-hings!

For specialist, may be very true.
For hobbyist who don't have any "jobs", I suspect there will be a certain level of over lapping between 35/28mm.
I happened to be a sloppy hobbyist who can live with either 35 or 28mm but slightly perfer 28mm
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本帖最後由 ngkh 於 2014-2-15 01:12 編輯

a sample from M28/2A whose rendition is simply appropriate in terms of constrast, transistion, and fine details.  

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ngkh 發表於 2014-2-15 01:04
a sample from M28/2A whose rendition is simply appropriate in terms of constrast, transistion, and f ...

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thanks Dennis CHing for the thumbs up  發表於 2014-2-17 00:24
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相對35, 我覺得35就似係規規距距既好學生, 1.4光圈做景深就好似成日交足功課上堂又留心聽書( Sharp 又 smart )
28呢? 就似天才波既學生,偶有失手既時間(如果拍攝唔小心,攝左太多無關既野入相,就會fail)
但係偶有驚世之作,因為我覺得28既變形相對可以控制在內,而且拍攝的好,視角既張力會非常強勁

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x2...  發表於 2014-2-17 13:28
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 樓主| 發表於 2014-2-17 18:30:11 | 顯示全部樓層
ngkh 發表於 2014-2-15 01:04
a sample from M28/2A whose rendition is simply appropriate in terms of constrast, transistion, and f ...

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vincecharus 發表於 2014-2-14 18:00
re-posting a photo from my other thread

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bebe456 發表於 2014-2-17 11:45
相對35, 我覺得35就似係規規距距既好學生, 1.4光圈做景深就好似成日交足功課上堂又留心聽書( Sharp 又 smar ...

換句話說, 相比35, 用28需要更留心才能拍到好相
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但有另一枝目標now  發表於 2014-2-17 20:17
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本帖最後由 vincecharus 於 2014-2-18 11:02 編輯
M3fans 發表於 2014-2-14 23:22
For specialist, may be very true.
For hobbyist who don't have any "jobs", I suspect there will be  ...

C-hing, just sharing my experience. At the end, we each find our own way and what others say don't count.

A lot of my own experience is in putting a single subject in the foreground (most commonly a person). I'll try to base my discussion on this.  But then of course there are infinitely more ways to compose a picture and lenses can be used in an infinitely numbers of different ways.

(My humble student-standard sample pics have mostly been posted before. )

35mm for me is "standard wide". Foreground exaggreation is very subtle. For me, it is suitable for a single subject with some background, but the attention remains on the subject. This is especially easy to achieve witn large aperture, e.g. f/1.4.  (See pic 1.)  Sometimes I use it for multiple subjects with unobstrusive background.  (See pic 2.)  For me, this focal length on full-frame is the best for environmental portraiture.  However, 35mm is not a standard portrait lens because it does not create a human eye-like perspective like a 50mm standard lens, which is essential for the "drama on canvas" style of Henri Cartier-Bresson.

28mm for me is proper wideangle. There is some foreground exaggeration but if suitably controlled (i.e. leveled) the effect is not too distracting. However, if a single subject is placed in foreground, the background will be wide and illustrative and compete for the viewer's attention with the subject.  (See pic 3.)  For me, this lens is best used for multiple subjects who pull the viewer's attention in different directions, creating tension and balance.  (See pic 4.)  Winogrand's works are classics.

21mm is the beginning of superwide territory. Foreground exaggeration becomes the main feature of photos taken with this focal length. The exaggeration will focus attention on a single foreground subject even without a large aperture to blur the background. For me, it is good for a caricature-type shot of a single subject (or a single group of related subjects) in the foreground.  (See pic 5.)  It is a challenge to use for multiple subjects because the wide angle of view makes the scene very difficult to control.  (See pic 6.)

C-hings are of course free to disagree and criticisms are most welcome. This is all subjective and I believe there is no right or wrong, just creativity.


(Please click on pics to see 2MB resolution.)



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