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To buy or not to buy? (Sony A7 / A7r)

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發表於 2013-10-30 10:02:57 | 顯示全部樓層
Jason 發表於 2013-10-29 23:59
hahaha... 我諗你都訂咗架啦

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發表於 2013-10-30 10:14:18 | 顯示全部樓層
The more I look at it, the more I have accepted it looks!

I no longer think it is ugly....
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發表於 2013-10-30 11:46:58 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 vincecharus 於 2013-10-30 13:38 編輯

Just tried a7 and a7r (and ZA 35/2.8 and a Sony zoom) at Sony showroom in CWB. Don't enjoy the work flow at all! I don't think I'll buy either.

It was sooooooooo silly of me at one stage to think about selling my M bodies and to replace them with these dud cameras!!!!!  Stupidity as stupid goes!
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發表於 2013-10-30 13:08:33 | 顯示全部樓層
I dont like the look...
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發表於 2013-10-30 13:25:23 | 顯示全部樓層
Kanedias 發表於 2013-10-29 23:57
It seems so funny that the samples of A7 or A7R varies so much between users. Some are stunning (lik ...

"i don't really like the EVF experience."  x 2, my biggest hurdle to use mirroless cams, otherwise would have bought OM-D, A7 etc.
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發表於 2013-10-30 13:26:51 | 顯示全部樓層
kgv 發表於 2013-10-29 20:54
I tried in in Sony Shop, Ocean Centre, last Sunday.
The shutter sound can replace your wake-up alarm ...

Really curious why a mirrorless cam will produce such loud shutter sound?  係未配音來架?
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發表於 2013-10-30 19:09:18 | 顯示全部樓層
Tried A7/A7r at Sony showroom cwb. Staff said A7r system requires a "mechanical" shutter and hence the loud noise. Don't know what that means. Canon/Nikon/Sony have FF dslr for years and there is no such loud shutter noise.
A7 shutter noise seems slightly better but still a margin off all Canon/Nikon FF dslr.
The good things about Sony are the price and also the focusing patch can be used/move around on the whole screen. Sorry to complaint, but I can't understand why Leica M240 live view only makes the focusing patch at the centre. After focus and recompose, the focus will definitely be off. Or is there a way to move the M240 live view focusing patch that I am not aware off?
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發表於 2013-10-31 14:28:02 | 顯示全部樓層
Well... well... well...
http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2013-10-31


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 樓主| 發表於 2013-10-31 14:32:59 | 顯示全部樓層
睇個勢,忍得嘅話真係唔急買。sony 啲嘢 product cycle 咁短,分分鐘九個月後又有新機。
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發表於 2013-10-31 14:37:14 | 顯示全部樓層
No EVF meaningless.... FF ver. NEX7 is the right way...
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發表於 2013-10-31 15:30:15 | 顯示全部樓層
More from Steve Huff

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/20 ... sicians-and-models/

Anyway, these are not my style of photos and I still am not interested.  Nothing would change my mind.
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發表於 2013-11-1 09:47:06 | 顯示全部樓層
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-1 10:36:51 | 顯示全部樓層
I finally tested the camera on hand. I'm impressed. Very easy to focus with Leica lenses. The zoom in / focus feature is neat, practical, and convenient.
Shutter noise is on the loud side. Surely not as light and quiet as Leica's, but similar to other DSLR. I find it acceptable.
Handling is good. Typical Japanese camera's sense of touch. No surprise for the camera body. No disappointment either.

The files are good. Nothing as magical as digital back's or foveon's files. But it surely serves the purpose. Color is accurate and factual. I will prefer this over M9.
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發表於 2013-11-1 12:25:45 | 顯示全部樓層
Jason 發表於 2013-11-1 10:36
I finally tested the camera on hand. I'm impressed. Very easy to focus with Leica lenses. The zoom i ...

Me too. A7 is my choice.
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-1 12:34:17 | 顯示全部樓層
ic112 發表於 2013-11-1 12:25
Me too. A7 is my choice.

I think I will get A7r, which has better corner performance with tighter microlenses arrangement. But either one will be a good choice
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發表於 2013-11-1 13:13:17 | 顯示全部樓層
J, how wide the M lens you tested with A7r?
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-1 13:24:37 來自手機 | 顯示全部樓層
wesley 发表于 8 分鐘前
J, how wide the M lens you tested with A7r?...

I tried 35mm. as shown by the samples on the internet. I think wider than 35mm can be risky. it also depends on lens design. I think as a rule of thumb. the closer the rear element to sensor, the more problematic it will be. 來自: iPhone客戶端
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-1 13:25:22 來自手機 | 顯示全部樓層
I think VM 28 will work fine. but biogon 28 will be bad. 來自: iPhone客戶端
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發表於 2013-11-1 13:30:25 | 顯示全部樓層
What about Summicron 28? I think W want to know that
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發表於 2013-11-1 13:35:04 | 顯示全部樓層
For me, the difference between CCD and CMOS is similar to the difference between oil and watercolor.  CMOS, for what it is under current technology, just doesn't work for me.  Besides, I find the workflow and handling of the Sony a7/a7r atrocious.

M9 is enough for me in low light.  Some may find its resolution wanting, but this never really concerned me.


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